Jenna is only 6 countries away from completing her quest


On today’s episode, I welcome Jenna Klotz to Counting Countries.  I learned about Jenna from two previous guests; Randy williams traveled with her in Armenia and Artsakh, and Lexie Alford randomly met her in the Pacific. Jenna is also living in Chicago and our interview coincided with my summer visit to my home in Chicago.  So taking advantage, Jenna and I set up a time to meet.

Instead of playing with dolls as a kid in Michigan, Jenna pretended to be a travel agent, planning trips for her family.  At college, she didn’t do one semester abroad, she did three semesters abroad!  Travel was in her blood.  After college, she ended up teaching in a small town in Hungary.

This stay in Hungary in conjunction with European discount airlines, propelled her into the world of counting  countries.  During our conversation, jenna, talks about a 55 foot rogue wave that disabled the ship she was on, money mishaps in Mauritania, the beauty of the Bolivian salt flats, and being detained by the police in Mali.  Jenna shares with us a touching moment of meeting a woman in Mogadishu, who saw the ocean for the first time.

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More about Jenna Klotz:

  • Born in: Grand Rapids, MI
  • Passports from: 2 US Passports
  • Favorite travel book: Chasing 193
  • Favorite travel film: Lost in Translation
  • Favorite travel app:
  • Must carry: hand sanitizer and tissues
  • Favorite food:  It’s not necessarily my favorite back home, but without fail, when I travel I miss tacos
  • Favorite drink: Coke Zero
  • Favorite Airline: Whichever has the most miles at the time (usually United)
  • Favorite Hotel: Whichever has the best deal

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About Counting Countries

Counting Countries is the only podcast to bring you the stories from the dedicated few who’ve spent their lives on the singular quest of traveling to every country in the world. Less people have traveled to every country in the world than have been to outer space.

Theme music for this podcast is Demeter’s Dance, written, performed, and provided by Mundi.

About GlobalGaz

Ric Gazarian is the host of Counting Countries. He is the author of three books: Hit The Road: India, 7000 KM To Go, and Photos From Chernobyl.  He is the producer of two travel documentaries: Hit The Road: India and Hit The Road: Cambodia.

Ric is also on his own quest to visit every country in the world. You can see where he has traveled so far and keep up with his journey at

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