Per has traveled to every country in the world

I had the great opportunity to sit down with Per Besson.  We met in person at the Extreme Travel International Congress, where Per did a lot of great organizing for the event at the Principality of Sealand.  The following week we met for some great Georgian food and sat down to do an interview in person in London.  My apologies, this episode was recorded in the hotel lobby with some background noise.

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Per has led a fascinating life including visiting every country in the world.  According to Nomad Mania he is a top 100 traveler.  After college, Per embarked on a nomadic life, living for multiple years, in Europe, China, and Brazil.  Per has an insatiable thirst for learning multiple languages and this is an integral part of this travels.

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But for now, here’s my conversation with Per from the Big Smoke better known as London.  Please listen in and enjoy.

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About Counting Countries

Counting Countries is the only podcast to bring you the stories from the dedicated few who’ve spent their lives on the singular quest of traveling to every country in the world. Less people have traveled to every country in the world than have been to outer space.

Theme music for this podcast is Demeter’s Dance, written, performed, and provided by Mundi.

About GlobalGaz

Ric Gazarian is the host of Counting Countries. He is the author of three books: Hit The Road: India, 7000 KM To Go, and Photos From Chernobyl.  He is the producer of two travel documentaries: Hit The Road: India and Hit The Road: Cambodia.

Ric is also on his own quest to visit every country in the world. You can see where he has traveled so far and keep up with his journey at

More About Per:

  •       Where were you born: Frankfurt, Germany
  •       What passport (s) do you hold: US
  •       Favorite travel book: A Fortune-Teller Told Me
  •       Favorite travel film: Central Station
  •       Favorite travel app or website:
  •       Must carry item when traveling (like flashlight, Kindle, deck of cards etc.): Smartphone
  •       Favorite food: Kung Pao Chicken
  •       Favorite drink: Caipirinha
  •       Favorite airline: Whichever leaves on time, but not before I arrive
  •       Favorite hotel: The one with the friendly, efficient receptionists

How Many Countries Are There?

Well… that depends on who you ask!

An analysis of these lists and who is the best traveled by Kolja Spori.  

Check out our friend and his new book:    

The Curious Case of William Baekeland William is a former guest of Counting Countries.  Harry Mitsidis, the author and extreme traveler, traces William’s arrival and unraveling in the travel community.  It is a story worthy of a film … and this book.  

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